Board Thread:Fanon Discussion/@comment-98.246.160.140-20131109080851/@comment-26972097-20161229092748

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Honestly when I first saw the show, I straight up went Apple's being selfish. Then a few more episodes in, I settled on they're both selfish. And with good reason! The world ALL these kids have grown up in is harsh, horrible and really bad for developing genuinely caring kids. They're scared into the possibility of disappearing (something that is a very real fear!) and having to follow their destinies.

Think about this. Apple does genuinely care about the people around her. As mentioned above, she just goes about it in wrong ways, because she doesn't really know how. Apple White is by no means perfect. She's a spoilt kid who is now only learning what it means for people not to want the same thing as she wants - which isn't even necessarily her wants. It's her mother's really. Or that's how I kind of saw it. We see Snow White and Apple's relationship in the Dragon Games, and yes, Snow loves her daughter, but Snow also seems to like being in control of the situation. I kind of personally feel like Snow is trying to live through Apple? I may be reading into things though.

You know who else's parent is the exact same? Raven's. Raven was raised to be evil, exactly like her mother and she didn't want that. Unlike Apple who sort of let herself be raised that way, Raven was already disliking her destiny. I can't judge the books since I haven't read them, but Raven does do some kind of mean things in the webisodes too. But a lot of the time they're not intentional, and once more. This is how Raven was raised. Although we get the idea Raven knows right from wrong, I feel like her morality is likely still a bit skewed and may not always care about right or wrong. She was raised that way, and just like Apple, the way you were raised is hard to reverse.

In all honesty, blaming Apple and Raven for their mistakes is... kind of harsh. A lot of how they are isn't even their fault. It's their upbringing and the society around them. The society they live in breds ignorance, selfishness and close-mindedness. The Rebels try to counter this but... sort of also act in the same way. Basically neither side is right. Neither Apple or Raven are right. Unlike Raven though, Apple definitely shows some development to seeing the other side. It's a slow process but it's there. Raven... is still to get to that point. So far we've been going along with the Royals having to see the Rebel side, so hopefully we'll get to a point where the role is reversed and the Rebels have to understand the Royals. Each side has their reasons.

I hate to bring up OCs into this as well but the best example I've seen of the whole Royal-Rebel thing has to be Spades' Obsidian Tunnel and Opaline Glass. Raven and Apple haven't gotten to a stage where they get each other's view. That's why they act the way they do. They each think the other is wrong. But I look at Obsidian and Opaline, and their divide with the Royal-Rebel conflict is how I hope Raven and Apple eventually turn out. They should be able to understand each other, support each other despite their differences, but also not give up their beliefs. As in the beliefs they choose, rather than the ones they have so ingrained in their mind. Apple has a much bigger journey to take since she's trying to understand something against how she was raised and just their whole society.

I love them both but from analyzing them and their development, Apple is much more interesting. We all easily understand why Raven has a point - because, you know, she does have a point - but Apple's is a little harder. When you remove the everyone will disappear part which it does, then it becomes all a lot harder to see why to be a Royal. It becomes a thing of why do you want to force people to do things they don't want to do. Which isn't it! It's more than that. She was raised that way. She doesn't know better. But most of all? She loves her story. Not her destiny. Her story. It's her story and she's loved it for a long time. Yes, that reason is selfish, but it's something that is her's and she can make her own. There's really nothing wrong with that.

Really the biggest issue isn't about what they want, it's about how they go about it and perhaps Raven's reluctance to understand the other side.