Board Thread:Fanon Discussion/@comment-4598697-20150920010905/@comment-27226023-20150920085428

MonsooonSeasonn wrote: (snickersnack) " what's wrong with using non obscure tales? you're saying that she's not a good oc because she's literally from BatB. that's what i'm getting. as i said earlier, that's why there's mainstream. just literally, you're tearing her apart for femininity and the BatB thing."

" oh she's [bella] from BatB, canon character alert tear down blah blah blah"

Your  pretty much putting words into my mouth. Feminity literally has nothing to do with my qualms. Feminine characters do not bother me. Non-obscure tales do not bother me. I like the little twists people do from time to time on the rare occassions that they do them. I wasn't trying to specify just her OC. After that little low jab, I generalizednbecause it's true is it not? The countless Beauty and The Beast OCs on the Wiki? By the logic of your post does this not sum up the entire thread being made then?

Was it petty? Yeah it was. But I don't appreciate the whole arguement of "having pretty art on a character profile makes them flat and dull". It was passive aggressively alluding to me and whoever else. I got a little pissed off. I retaliated. Childlishly but then again the whole rant seemed pointless, especially bringing on a thread as opposed to calling me out on the message wall.

also please note that your use of a vague "Native American" culture tag on Calli makes me wonder too. couldn't you have researched on a tribe, like a specific one that includes coyotes as part of their worship or stories? because native american isn't just feathers and fringe and leather. it isn't just "cover it up with native american".

I can't even believe you said this to me. I'm fully aware. I did specify her tribal affiliation as well as a quote from the research I did. Coyotes are not limited to one or two tribes. There's a wide range of coyote stories that vary from tribes. Calli's heritage doesn't extend to all of them but I did make it clear there was a long line of coyotes she came from and her story wasn't limited to southwestern/plain Indian folklore. The coyote is not a limited characters. They are prominent in Native American folklores. You're preaching to the choir with that little inane comment. Also you should take note that Calli isn't adorned in feathers, moccassins, face paint, headdress of any sort. No she's dressed in a pretty normal attire that in no way stereotypes her race. Because, if you can wrap your head around this I think, I don't believe in stereotyping.

I guess you're still ticked off at me despite me having apologized to you twice for getting snippy. But that's fine.

I never assumed anything. And I never assumed. I never specifically said that her character was European. I was simply generalizing. There wasn't an attempt to be a "hipster" break away from "mainstream". I just simply developed a character with what fascinated me. Is that not how making an OC works?

" I do have a life outside this Wiki so I don't have the time to nitpick over every little thing to make my OC "impeccable" and "perfect". are there not notebooks? little places where you can just put your ideas for calli in? yes, you do have a social life, but you can take moments out just to think "what do i do to improve calli? what do i change? what do i retcon? what do i develop?" etc. your oc is your creation, and shouldn't you be working to improve your creations? it's not nitpicking. and honestly? you need to get off your high horse."

This is precisely what I do. All the time. And guess what? For me it takes a lot of work, a lot of my time. I'm invested in my characters and there is oh so much want to write about them. So much I want to change. So much more research that I have to do and put in. It isn't just a hit and run. It's careful planning, deciding what to take away, deciding what to add. Deciding and who they interact iwth the world and others. Deciding on how their family history shaped them. So yeah, I don't have a lot of time to invest formatting that onto a wiki page, just enough time to every now and then jot down blurbs when I can. Calli is still developing. I'm still building her. I'm still shaping her. I'm still writing facets while thinking about overhauling certain pages all together. I know precisely how making an OC works and I can tell you right now it isn't just art for me. It isn't just about getting "teh pretty artworks" for my character which is what the apparent thought was. It is nice though but that isn't something I heavily rely on despite some...assumptions by others.

"also i'm not scared anymore because you honestly need to grow out of your pretentious asshole stage because hey, get into mainstream things - that's why there are mainstream things."

I almost facepalmed myself into a coma. I don't even know what to say to this because I don't even know what this has to really do with anything.

This is old news to me but I'm adressing it anyway because I'm growing sick of it. I never wanted to "scare" you. Yet somehow I chased you off the Wiki? From what someone told me you were afraid to come back? I didn't even understand. I still don't. I apologized to you, twice. Saying I didn't mean to get snippy with you. I regret that. I even went on to the chat to expalin myself/make amends but you disappeared before I could. Then you left that message on my wall which I ignored because I simply wanted to move on from the incident. You don't it seems.