@Jade Encrusted Bugs: Why, thank you! That's quite an interesting take on Cedar. Now I'm kind of wishing I'd come up with some similar interpretation, and since Cedra hasn't shown up in the fic beyond a few mentionings, I'll take that suggestion into account. I do have a different character who is intersex, however, and that is Poppy(who is Holly's fraternal twin in the story, though the two look rather similar). Apple comments in the first chapter that because Poppy is intersex, Poppy was the only one given a "choice" when it comes to gender identity and expression, when that really isn't true in so many ways. Sure, Poppy's parents tried to be relatively open-minded, but it was just more convenient to have two girl twins as opposed to two opposite-gender twins, so they kind of pushed Poppy into a female role. I've actually been debating over how Poppy identifies in the story(Male? Female? Bigender, stemming from one inerpretation of how canon!Poppy became a "Roybel" according to the webisodes? Some other interpretation I haven't considered?). I'll admit that there are still a lot of aspects of this community that I'm discovering each and every day(and ones that I'm still trying to learn more about before I'm fairly confident that I can portray them with accuracy), and while representing every facet may be near to impossible, I definitely plan on doing my best.

@AlexandraWonderland: Sadly, mainstream media has a long way way to go in terms of representation (both in queer representation among many other areas). The freedom people have with OCs is nice however, and your circumstances must be tough. :v I'm gray-ace and might be aromantic (still questioning though). Currently I'm living with my parents while sorting future schooling opportunities and a few personal issues. I doubt that my family would understand what being asexual/aromantic is even about.

@Zashley. You're welcome! It was something that came to mind, especially with's Cedar's wooden state and her hinted hesitation regarding the Royal-Rebel drama in the second Ever After High book. Must have missed Poppy accidentally there, oops. If you need anymore suggestions for Poppy's gender, maybe androgyne or agender could work as well?

Either way, it's an interesting learning proccess. Nice to know that you're really putting the effort for your fic, since everyone here has something to learn about gender identity.

Oh yeah, just a note: I added more bullets/discussion points on the beginning of the thread to include queerplatonic relationships, and replaced a few catch-all terms with the quiltbag acronym. also slightly altered the thread title because reasons. Links have been added to help explain what both queerplatonic and quiltbag mean.

I'm from a southern usa family so x.x no one in my  mothers side know i gay.  XD hahaha i hate it but untill i figure out my life i have to hide this fact.  the way i get away with hiding the fact im not gay is making acounts like with imvu and secound live and art site using a alt name where it could be a guy or a girls name and make sure it dosent show a gender so i have a guy avi and a girl avi 

Adding this to the thread: Airmid Valerian has been agender in my mind for a while, but I've only recently added that to their page. Generally uses she/her pronouns, but likes they/their pronouns as well. I'll probably refer to them and alternate between pronouns. 

Out of my eight/nine-ish used characters, two of them are trans (or not cis)? That's Hyacinth and Airy. Which roughly less than 25%. That's not too bad, but I do want some more trans representation in my OCs. 

I'm tempted to make the next Fox and the next Princess in the Golden Bird as twins though. I could make the twins identical twins, and the princess transgender.

That would mean my transgender OCs would be royalty (of some sort), which is pretty cool, I think.

I'm just gonna casually hang out here with my OC's. I actually have a minority of straight characters, since I have just 3. (Andre is Pan and thus DOES NOT COUNT.) I don't have any trans OC's though. Hmm. I do have Circe and my 3rd dancing princess though.... I guess they could be the ones with alternate gender identities. (Heh, instead of the Sea Witch looking like a drag queen like in The Little Mermaid, she's ACTUALLY a trans female. Hmm. Sounds good to me.)

As far as other questions mentioned in the original post.....

I'm now totally all for Ace/Aro Apple. I've never really had any ships for her anyway, not even Rapple or Dapple. Maybe I subconsciously thought she would't actually be into relationships? I dunno.

Trans Boy Hopper is my new favorite thing, actually. Also, maybe Greygender!Poppy? I could see her as sometimes wanting to feel more androgynous, rather than female, and go by gender-neutral pronouns. I dunno. Maybe just me. (Probably because she reminds me of a real-life friend who feels like that.)

Oh! Until I created Venetia, I actually shipped RavenxDexterxCupid. I hate love triangles, so now whenever I see one I generally begin shipping them as a polyship. Why pick one when you can have both (with explicit consent), am I right? (I mean it about the consent thing though. Cheating is something I condone only in very specific circumstances.)

I'm all for Brotp's, especially between roommates. Rapple and Blondid are probably my faves.

As far as my OC's go, their sexualities and preferences are pretty diverse, as well as their out/acceptance levels. Anteros and Karina aren't out, Karina to anyone and Anteros to anyone but his closest friends. Arion's parents aren't known to have an opinion on the matter, but I think they're pretty chill with it. (Bigger fish to fry, and all that.) Andre's parents are out of the picture, but Rose's parents are pretty accepting of him. (Though that may be because he's mostly Rose-sexual.) Venetia has a pretty good relationship with her adoptived parents, but at the start of her tale they don't know that she's Pan, or that she's really into Cupid. They might not be so ok with that. (The ancient Greeks, while very ok with gay relationships between men, weren't so keen on girl-girl ones. I headcanon that Vini's parents reflect that. Overtime, probably with Eros's help, they'll learn to accept her.) Reginald, Karina and Tina have the worst relationships with their parents. Tina doesn't remember her real parents, having lived with Regi for as long as she can remember. Regi's parents are those people that the whole LGBTQ+ community hates: homophobic, conservative, rich entitled jerkfaces. Neither Regi nor Tina visit home a lot anymore due to their attitude; they've basically disowned them before they could be disowned. Karina's mother is also one of these people, hence why Karina tries her very best to push down any attraction she has towards anyone her mom doesn't approve of, including girls. (It's a "Parent notice me!" thing, only instead of the son wishing for his father's approval, it's a daughter wanting her mom's approval. ....Man why are my fave characters always so angsty?!?!) So instead she actually comes off as Ace. I only just realized this today, but it's actually a subversion of the "Bi's are sluts" trope that many people, even within the LGBTQ+ community, believe is true.

Oh, also Arion is technically Demisexual Homoromantic, and not what one would consider a "true" (note the quotes) gay. He's still hella gay though, just minus the immediate physical attraction part. He'll think certain boys are cute, but not necessarily "sexy."

Good thread. 

Regarding canon characters:

1. They're all gay. But some of fave headcanons are: Aro & Bi Faybelle. Ace & Lesbian Apple. Aro & Ace Maddie. Demiromantic & Bi Duchess. Lesbian Kitty. Pan Briar.

2. My fave ships are Kitty/Lizzie, Darling/Rosabella & Apple/Raven.

3. I like Trans Girl Darling & Agender Faybelle. 

4. I've been liking the idea of Briar/Melody/Justine & I also like Wonderland Girls Ship.

Regarding My OC: (Tfw only 1 oc)

1. Lucia is Agender, Ace, & Panromantic. I feel like it doesn't affect Lucia's story so she ain't worried abt it in that regard.

2. Lucia's open abt being Agender. My idea was that the moon doesn't have a gender but is viewed as pretty feminine so that's was a major reason I decided Lucia is Agender and uses (she/her) pronouns. Also because she's rlly self-insert for me LOL. Lucia would be open abt being Ace & Panro as well, I feel like she's really proud?? of these things. 

3. Lucia's Mom and Grandmother both know and are supportive. They're both Agender as well. 

4. Lucia/Nami. They are so cute and gay. :')

5. Lucia's really accepting so she's def supportive of the LGBT+ community. 

In terms of canon characters, I headcanon Hopper, Dexter, Darling and Lizzie as trans.

I love the idea of aromanic pansexual Cupid, and of lesbian Darling. I like the idea that Darling is gay but not out of closet and it's the reason Dexter and Daring can get possessive and worried about guys flocking after her.

Apple to me is asexual and demiromantic, only being romantically inclined towards someone when they've become close. [Rapple anyone?] And Daring is totally bisexual with a preference for girls - he hasn't quite come to terms with that though. I also think Hopper is pansexual. In the opening he gets flustered around Dexter and turns into a frog, something he generally only really does around people he considers attractive. 

I don't have many OCs on the wiki yet so I don't have much to add here. Opaline is bisexual and it doesn't concern her too much. For her, it's just a fact. Star is pansexual panromantic but has very little interest in dating someone at the moment - it's irrelevant for her destiny and near future, so she wants nothing to do with it (for the mean time).

The main trope I wish would be gone is the idea that asexuals are either really childish or really disinterested and cold. There seems to be no inbetween. Furthermore, as an aromantic person, I'd also love to see more aromantic people who aren't also ace. I totally get asexuality and aromantic often go together, but the two can be seperate. 

/falls into the Ace trope with characters. ^^; Actually I only have the one Ace character, who is kind of childish, but that's not because of her orientation; it's because of her story and personality as a whole as the next Tinkerbell. I guess Karina tries to epitamize that ace's are disinterested and cold, because she's actually trying to come off as Ace to hide her bisexuality. I know that aro and ace don't have to go hand-in-hand, I just haven't made a character to reflect that yet. (Might make Circe aro but not ace; feels like it would fit her well.)